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Fresh from Mark at FMJUK, here’s my crack at building a DMR Semi only, chronos in at 430-435 with 0.2’s. Started life as a two-tone Cyma that needed some tlc. Fresh spring, new hop unit+barrel, changed the motor to a higher torque Infinity and rewired it for standard Gate-style mosfets. Picked up a wooden stock from Airsofttiger. Sanded, stained and finished etc. Sanded off seam lines, got some slightly unusual (but real-steel accurate) Winchester trades cut and sent it off for a coat of Cerakote E110 Midnight.

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Corr this thread is busy, what's going on in he.....

Not quite how remember it. More like: - Uninformed, low post count noob comes onto the forums with his two-tone 'specialist platform' - Makes comments about barrel length - Told length doesn't matter compared to other factors - Berates the experienced hand on here that have been building guns for years - Spouts off stuff about physics, experiments and 'do some research' - Is also an arrogant tosser about it - Calls everyone old, senile and incoherent Yep, that sums it up.

Didn't you 'tap out' 2 hours ago? Fuck off.

Picked up a new hop up unit. Thing is fairly robust, beats the Lonex and Retro Arms for build quality.

Can I put forward the whole of the Patrol Base boneyard?

For all the Oldies on here, this is the equivalent to settling an argument on Goldeneye. Temple, Slaps only, no Oddjob.

At the risk of getting dangerously back on topic, DPD just been and dropped these off: All bought from Tactical Kit and a massive thank you to Ian for his fantastic customer service. Why can't everyone be like that? Right, off to find the PTS EPS stock someone posted on here when this thread used to be about the shit people had bought, but in the meantime, can anyone tell me if a longer barrel is more accurate?

So yeah. That's why we all started trying to help. But hey, you go for it. Just remember to get those push ups in, M4s and LA85s weigh more than your super specialised SMGs. You said that you assumed you'd need a longer barrelled gun to play outdoors, we explained why you didn't need to. All you've done since then is tell us that we're all wrong and that you didn't actually say that. Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out.

Mandatory PFTE tape mention.

Nooooooo........ Not now I've started downloading all these excellent cnut memes ?

Hey, no need to apologise mate. Let's draw a line under this now

Nice! Be interesting to see if it's all it's cracked up to be!

That's hilarious, I was typing the exact same thing.

*moot point. You need to learn shit before you can forget it.

Quickest way to bug out of a thread that's lost its way ?

No, the fact everything you’re saying only serves to spread misinformation is doing that for you. Your ‘specialised platform’ is a version 2 gearbox (with a proprietary tappet plate) and a 6.05 217mm inner barrel, all wrapped up to make it not look entirely like an AR outside... while being precisely that on the inside. You’ve made it very clear you think you know better, so you go ahead and do whatever suits you best. P.S. The Mk23 doesn’t have good range and accuracy ‘for a pistol’, it has good range and accuracy ‘for an airsoft replica’.

Nobody said it was your problem. I was explaining why your post may have been misinterpreted. The platform (specialised or not) is irrelevant, the critical points remain the same. Past 200mm barrel length you will not get massive improvements in range and accuracy by adding 100mm or so length. The most important factors are bore quality and hop effectiveness. Getting a longer barrelled M4 will not make you more accurate or have way better accuracy unless it also has a more effective hop unit and a better barrel than either your TK45c or your Firehawk (which is ENTIRELY possible given that they aren't the best to begin with). None of which should stop you from buying whatever you please (and I'm sure it won't). As for the MK23, no I mean good range and accuracy as an absolute regardless of platform.

ukara deadlines and lack of uk stockists... but thanks

The ‘science of airsoft’ when it comes to optimisation ultimately lands with volume matching to make sure that little cushion of air of shoves your BB along is Bob on, or as close as you can get, for the weight of BB you’re using. There’s a whole lot of snake oil and horse shit out there in regard to what a longer barrel actually does and I was simply trying to offer some advice because your initial post stated you were ‘under the assumption’ that you might have to buy a different RIF to play in the woods. Gauging the tone as best I can it seems like somehow you’ve taken offence to that, so I’ll go ahead and exit the conversation there at the risk of ‘flexing my knowledge’ too much again.

Wow. That's a spechul arsesoft supplies level of customer service. To accuse a customer of cheating rather than admit there could be a problem with something they sold is just cuntish

Arrived yesterday. Holosun Micro Classic HS403C I had ordered the B variant but after 2 months they still hadn't stock so they offered this more expensive model for no extra. I think the only difference is the solar power. Is my first ever decent optic that isn't one of the £40 knock of red dots from you name it airsoft website. Thing I am most impressed with is very very little parallax effect which the cheaper red dots suffer from. Great build quality as well and much cheaper than RS military optics but still retains that T1/2 look. If you want a quality optic you can actually use that isn't expensive this is the one. Also rocking the guns modify T1 lens cover.

Ares BBs seem to be the floor sweepings: I tested some bio BBs a while back and the 0.25g Nuprols actually seemed pretty reasonable, however the 0.20g Nuprols I tested were a quite soft & easy to deform. I guess how good/bad they are probably varies by weight/composition/whether they're bio or not as well as from batch to batch etc... The G&G 0.25s seemed ok but I found air bubbles in some of them. Geoffs seem to be the best overall out of all of the BBs I tested (I did notice they were a little on the softer side, but didn't think they were soft enough to be concerned about... that may be an issue for GBBRs though).

I recently got one too. No issues with Maple leaf rubber. The barrel clip was very tight on the PDI barrel but a little cleaning up of the clips edges and it provides a very nice and secure fit. Now just waiting for the RIF it is going to go in (stuck with UPS).

Yeah, at this point he's just kicking over pieces and shitting on the chessboard.

I am absolutely baffled how a post saying words to the effect of 'you don't need a RIF with a longer barrel to perform well in woodland games, but if you want to buy one go for it' turned into this. But whatever, at the rip roaring age of 30 I'm clearly very senile and that's somehow a statement that needed to be debated... for 2 entire pages. I wish you good luck with whatever it is you wind up buying, I for one am thoroughly looking forward to using my 'specialised platform' at my next CQB games. I've seemingly been incorrectly calling it a pistol, but now I know better... so thanks for that.

No mate it’s a knock off I got from Amazon if I remember correctly. It looks the part though.

Nothing... move along nothing to see... these are not the droids you're looking for.....

*Sigh* if there is a single factor with inner barrels that determines overall performance, it's not length OR the bore size. It's the quality of the internal finish. You can take a mediocre stock brass barrel, and lap it to a mirror finish. Assuming it's straight and true, it will shoot comparably or better than many aftermarket barrels. Hop units, rubbers and nubs have a much bigger impact on range and accuracy. Edit - Back on topic, I had these arrive today for various projects:

Cyma? haha

I get that with BBs it’s not an exact science. And yes the quality of the plastic and how the bb is created has an affect for sure. What works with one gun may not necessarily work with another. I was talking to a mate who uses Green Devils coz his site dictates their use as mandatory. This brand of BB worked fine in a PTW and a MWS yet in a GBLS it got smashed to bits. Go figure. You’d think the MWS being a GBBR would have been the one that destroyed it. I’ll be trying the 0.3 G&Gs in the MWS and PTW and see how they fair when we start playing again. I’ve used 0.3 Geoffs and they seem fine. I’ve not gone with a higher weight unless it’s with my DMR then it’s 0.4 Geoffs. I’m actually eager to see what the MK23 does with 0.4’s too.

That's the issue. We expected some delays due to Brexit and I was fully aware of the additional charges. However these excessive delays are all down to UPS and not BREXIT. No other courier service has anything like this issue. After many calls with broken promises of call backs and updates I was given a direct email for updates. After several inquires not one response. The customer service is just a distraction technique without any ability to provide any help whatsoever. Although it is not their fault (UPS process and management are to blame) I could never work in a role where I was suppose to lie to and deceive customers. James

Your 'SMG' is exactly the same on the inside as many other guns, irrespective of their length. That's the point. Your gun is not fucking special. Or in any way a 'specialised'. It's a generic M4 that takes SMG mags. That's it.

Don’t mention the P word ?Luke from Negative Airsoft will get on here and start using the C word ????

It's not hindsight if you knew it was going to happen To be fair, it probably is a bit disingenuous to blame Brexit for the entire shitshow. UPS are doing FAR worse than anyone else it seems.

This x1000. A NBB MK23 can out-range many AEGs and exhibit better accuracy whilst doing so - all with a very short inner barrel. Why do you think so many people are strapping 3d printed carbine kits onto them and using them as DMRs? It was proven in paintball many years ago, and also proven in Airsoft a number of times over the years too that longer barrel length =/= better range or accuracy.

I did get most of the stuff I wanted in before Jan. However when gunfire is the only place on the planet that genuinely has sets of 5 PPS Shell Ejecting Gas Shells at a reasonable price, I had no choice and ordered knowing of the UPS issues. Edit: I can either get 2 shells for £13 not including postage in the UK. Or (At the time of purchase) Or 5 shells for just over £18 taking into account import fees from Gunfire. It's a no brainer.

My barrel is 8.5inches and has a wide girth. The girth probably explains why I can never shoot on target. Damn. ??‍♂️ I’ll stick to storming the Tantive IV

Because there's endless posts from people on here that say they want a longer barrelled gun for woodland purely because they're under the misapprehension that anything much more than about 200mm makes more than three parts of fuck all difference to accuracy and range (on an AEG at least - bolties are a whole different can of badger turds). I refer you to my reply in the "Why did you start airsoft?" thread regarding the physics aspect.

So many 'rare' items! A CYMA AK74 for full retail. I am too overwhelmed to go on.

Pick one up. You can’t fault it. It does what it says on the tin and it looks good too. Plus it’s got a Magpul spec QD point on both sides. You can’t fault that.

Looking good there fellas! The L119A2 is all the rage at the moment.. well that and the the Mk18 still.... although anything CAG seems to be in too but ya' need some serious mulla to drop on HAO to achieve that Seal Team look. But who needs USSF when we can go UKSF.. the L119A2 just looks so much more cooler! Amen

Snap ?

Oh Goodness me that’s so bollocks for the retailer to say that. A bb should easily withstand 350fps, hell it should stand up 500 FPS.

in fairness same factory just means same building, the cheaper brands can still use different tooling with an argument being that the cheaper brands use the tools that have worn out to where they're unacceptable for the premium brands. alternately steps with minor benefits can be skipped (eg polishing stages) or perhaps rounds off the line that fail to meet the tolerance spec for brand A get given to brand B who have wider tolerances. and ofc raw material can come in 2 entirely different grades from entirely different suppliers. the tl:dr being even if nuprol bb's are made in the same factory as geoffs, doesn't make them not shit

Truth be told, a CTR looks great on a airsoft gun. But for practicality you can’t beat a PTS enhanced stock. And best of all you can stick a big mother of a battery in it.

"Illegitimate requests for purchase will be reported." I can hear the UKARA police sirens already.