Supporters Lozart Posted August 7, 2014 Supporters Posted August 7, 2014 It seems every photo of the weapon they are holding it that way .. it looks too rigid and awkward. (( 300 Posts FTW!!!!! )) 300? Amateur! It's come from a real steel shooting technique designed to help with controlling recoil but it's just fashion/dumbassery in airsoft. Monty and TomC 2
GiantKiwi Posted August 7, 2014 Posted August 7, 2014 300? Amateur! It's come from a real steel shooting technique designed to help with controlling recoil but it's just fashion/dumbassery in airsoft. Not entirely useless if you're using a gas rifle with a particularly hefty recoil In the case of this, its incredibly pointless.
Caliber Posted August 7, 2014 Author Posted August 7, 2014 Yeah, but that translates to £220 landed in the UK. £220 isn't so bad. Same price as my GBBR. May consider this thing as my first RIF once I'm able (and if I decide not to build an AK-105).
TacMaster Posted August 7, 2014 Posted August 7, 2014 £220 isn't so bad Maybe for you, but some people have to juggle mortgage/utility/grocery bills Monty and Lozart 2
Unrustle_Thine_Jimmies Posted August 7, 2014 Posted August 7, 2014 Let me parrot what 90% of airsofters say when ares comes up with something interesting. ''Looks nice,shame it's Ares'' That's my opinion,basically! DX115FALCON and ItsAJ 2
DX115FALCON Posted August 7, 2014 Posted August 7, 2014 UPDATE Redwolf have started pre-orders at £148, link below. I'll up date the original post aswell. http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/AEG_AEP_ARES_ARES_Amoeba_AM_013_DE.htm That seems afully cheap... I'm not expecting good internals.
SimonQuigley Posted August 7, 2014 Posted August 7, 2014 Is it front wired through a PEQ? If so it would kinda ruin the look.
Unrustle_Thine_Jimmies Posted August 7, 2014 Posted August 7, 2014 That seems afully cheap... I'm not expecting good internals. >Ares >Even thinking about good internals DX115FALCON 1
Mr Monkey Nuts Posted August 7, 2014 Posted August 7, 2014 I read it as you need to buy a battery that would usually go in a PEQ box, for it to fit in the rear stock compartment.
ItsAJ Posted August 7, 2014 Posted August 7, 2014 Let me parrot what 90% of airsofters say when ares comes up with something interesting. ''Looks nice,shame it's Ares'' That's my opinion,basically! You actually just read my mind. TM should add a few more types to their recoil shock series then we would be talking
TacMaster Posted August 7, 2014 Posted August 7, 2014 I'd love to see a recoil shock L85 or SVD AEG. With TM's legendary hop the SVD would be epic ItsAJ 1
Josh95 Posted August 7, 2014 Posted August 7, 2014 I hate the way you hold them with your hand right at the top/end of the barrel .. its looks so unnatural and wrong . :/ might just be me. I agree, I can understand it for CQB room clearing but some guys always hold it like that looks wrong to me too!
Unrustle_Thine_Jimmies Posted August 7, 2014 Posted August 7, 2014 Knowing TM though there would probably be a fair bit of compromise on externals,especially on combloc guns and guns generally fully steel.Their Recoil AKs were offender in that regard. Lots of recalls in Japan for durability issues,and the AK74M being discontinued and the AK104 too,for a limited time. I'd love to see a recoil shock L85 or SVD AEG. With TM's legendary hop the SVD would be epic
ItsAJ Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 I'd love to see a recoil shock L85 or SVD AEG. With TM's legendary hop the SVD would be epic A TM recoil L85 that would be sooo sexy. Knowing TM though there would probably be a fair bit of compromise on externals,especially on combloc guns and guns generally fully steel.Their Recoil AKs were offender in that regard. Lots of recalls in Japan for durability issues,and the AK74M being discontinued and the AK104 too,for a limited time. Man you know so much!
Unrustle_Thine_Jimmies Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 A TM recoil L85 that would be sooo sexy. Man you know so much! I spent too much time on Japanese airsoft forums reading about the recoils ItsAJ 1
Caliber Posted August 8, 2014 Author Posted August 8, 2014 Maybe for you, but some people have to juggle mortgage/utility/grocery bills Fair enough. Cheap on a relative scale, then.
Supporters Lozart Posted August 8, 2014 Supporters Posted August 8, 2014 Not entirely useless if you're using a gas rifle with a particularly hefty recoil In the case of this, its incredibly pointless. Even a gas rifle won't have so much recoil you need to hold your gun like that. It may be a lot for airsoft but in real terms it's never going to be anywhere near a real firearm.
GiantKiwi Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 Even a gas rifle won't have so much recoil you need to hold your gun like that. It may be a lot for airsoft but in real terms it's never going to be anywhere near a real firearm. Inokatsu MTW SOPMOD is pretty damn close (when it works)..
Supporters M_P Posted August 8, 2014 Supporters Posted August 8, 2014 Even a gas rifle won't have so much recoil you need to hold your gun like that. It may be a lot for airsoft but in real terms it's never going to be anywhere near a real firearm. Doesn't matter though, even the limited recoil of airsoft moves the gun slightly putting you slightly off target, anything to reduce that is a benefit. Not hugely but a bit nonetheless. I find that it reduces the amount of sway in a gun a pretty large amount too. Normally you have the vast majority of the weight of the rifle supported by just the very bottom, holding the gun further out and higher up reduces that somewhat, kind of like holding a hockey stick- if you held just the bottom, it's got more mass that can become unstable, hold it half way and it's much less likely. I don't hold rifles in the full-on thumb over bore style but I tend to hold them much further forward than normal, since my old m14 gave me no choice but to do that as the weight was so far forwards I just carried it over onto pretty much every things else, it's more tiring over extended periods but definitely keeps the rifle more solidly planted in the shoulder. GiantKiwi and Mack 2
Mack Posted August 8, 2014 Posted August 8, 2014 I like that style of grip. I use an AFG on my rifle and its designed to be held that way. My block II M4 is pretty front heavy and holding it like that is far more comfortable than arm further in. Much quicker to aquire targets too as it gives much better "pointability" and control. GiantKiwi 1
Teo Posted August 9, 2014 Posted August 9, 2014 I hold all my rifles that way. It just feels so much more natural than putting my hand under the handguard.
Mr Monkey Nuts Posted August 12, 2014 Posted August 12, 2014 The concept of that grip is to positively "drive" the muzzle onto multiple targets. In competition shooting it's been proven that shooters can get on target significantly quicker than with more traditional grips.
Russe11 Posted August 12, 2014 Posted August 12, 2014 In CQB, its a really good way to get shot in the hand a lot. Caliber, Mr Monkey Nuts and Lozart 3
Hibernator Posted August 12, 2014 Posted August 12, 2014 Here's an interesting quote from Mark Owen's Instagram account: I’ve noticed a lot of team guys run the gun holding the vfg as opposed to the c-clamp etc. Obv its all preference/comfort and it keeps your hand in the same place for light activation etc. Any other specifics as to why? I notice it primarily with Team dudes.’ ‘’ just my opinion,,,,, whoever the hell came up with the “C clamp” method of shooting has probably spent all his time and the range and never in actual combat!!! Those are two totally different animals!! I combat shoot!!! Ie, hand on the very grip! Great question though!!!’’ Full article: http://markowenseal.wordpress.com/weapons/ Caliber 1
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