Tokyo Marui, are they always a safe bet?

[Ebeneezer Goode]

I've never looked at TMs principally because they are far and away beyond my budget. For me one of the thrills of airsoft is how much fun you can have without needing to spend massive amounts. Of course, wanting to spend massive amounts is a very different thing...

 

For me, light weight wins every time, so it's plastic for me. Not at all fussed by recoil. Did try a GBB Glock once a few years ago, was fun but wouldn't go out my way to get one.

 

Yes, gear snobs can look down at me if they so desire with my crappy Lancer Tactical M4 and my UAR. What is it thats said about APS, "A Piece of Shit"? Well to me they're great fun, work perfectly and cost me hardly anything. Most of all, I'm happy with what I've got. And they do the same job of lobbing plastic BBs at sub-350fps as something five times the price.

 

And if folk want to blow 500 quid or whatever it is on a TM, fair play to them. Personally, I'll still hanker after a sub-£150 CSI XR-5 and perhaps an affordable non-CO2 Desert Eagle. As far as I'm concerned I'd never own another gnu if I had both of those.

[SBoardley]

24 minutes ago, Ebeneezer Goode said:

I've never looked at TMs principally because they are far and away beyond my budget. For me one of the thrills of airsoft is how much fun you can have without needing to spend massive amounts. Of course, wanting to spend massive amounts is a very different thing...

 

For me, light weight wins every time, so it's plastic for me. Not at all fussed by recoil. Did try a GBB Glock once a few years ago, was fun but wouldn't go out my way to get one.

 

Yes, gear snobs can look down at me if they so desire with my crappy Lancer Tactical M4 and my UAR. What is it thats said about APS, "A Piece of Shit"? Well to me they're great fun, work perfectly and cost me hardly anything. Most of all, I'm happy with what I've got. And they do the same job of lobbing plastic BBs at sub-350fps as something five times the price.

 

And if folk want to blow 500 quid or whatever it is on a TM, fair play to them. Personally, I'll still hanker after a sub-£150 CSI XR-5 and perhaps an affordable non-CO2 Desert Eagle. As far as I'm concerned I'd never own another gnu if I had both of those.

True and fair bud. People buy rifs different reasons; I like collecting gbbrs for example, not always practical but they always put a smile on my face when someone gets tagged. 

[Druid799]

23 hours ago, SBoardley said:

Yeah defo from my experience; inverted recoil, decent hop, bolt stop function, shit fps - tm ngrs ALL day. Decent fps, ok hop ( although on any m4 aeg it takes five minutes and five quid to make it decent) any other brand aeg! Unfortunately you start tweaking Tokyo maruis and the toffee metal house of cards comes tumbling down. This is why they got such low fps. 

Also what a lot of players don’t seem to realize is TM are made exclusively for the Japanese market(Their not that bothered about what the rest of the world wants) where the FPS allowed is no more than 322fps by law . TM manufacturers all their gun to function to there maximum potential below this number hence they function so well at a lower FPS compared to other brands , and once you DO start ‘up-grading’ you end up in a situation where once one part is changed it throws everything else out of sink and you then end up replacing another part , then you need to replace another part , and another etc etc .

 

22 hours ago, Ebeneezer Goode said:

I've never looked at TMs principally because they are far and away beyond my budget. For me one of the thrills of airsoft is how much fun you can have without needing to spend massive amounts. Of course, wanting to spend massive amounts is a very different thing...

 

For me, light weight wins every time, so it's plastic for me. Not at all fussed by recoil. Did try a GBB Glock once a few years ago, was fun but wouldn't go out my way to get one.

 

Yes, gear snobs can look down at me if they so desire with my crappy Lancer Tactical M4 and my UAR. What is it thats said about APS, "A Piece of Shit"? Well to me they're great fun, work perfectly and cost me hardly anything. Most of all, I'm happy with what I've got. And they do the same job of lobbing plastic BBs at sub-350fps as something five times the price.

 

And if folk want to blow 500 quid or whatever it is on a TM, fair play to them. Personally, I'll still hanker after a sub-£150 CSI XR-5 and perhaps an affordable non-CO2 Desert Eagle. As far as I'm concerned I'd never own another gnu if I had both of those.

I buy what I can afford AND what I like , so my collection runs the whole gamut from £25 springer shotguns up to £600+ ‘special’ guns AND everything in between ! ?

I’ll be honest I’ve never encountered anyone looking down on my kit(but I think they probably realise from my general ‘demeanor’ I wouldn’t take any of that shit from anyone ??) but in the end who really cares ? I don’t ! ?

 

[Tackle]

2 hours ago, Ebeneezer Goode said:

As far as I'm concerned I'd never own another gnu

 

Never say never ?

[Ebeneezer Goode]

6 hours ago, SBoardley said:

True and fair bud. People buy rifs different reasons; I like collecting gbbrs for example, not always practical but they always put a smile on my face when someone gets tagged. 

 

Yep, and that's what its all about, having a smile on your face. Whether its practical or not!

 

5 hours ago, Druid799 said:

Also what a lot of players don’t seem to realize is TM are made exclusively for the Japanese market(Their not that bothered about what the rest of the world wants) where the FPS allowed is no more than 322fps by law . TM manufacturers all their gun to function to there maximum potential below this number hence they function so well at a lower FPS compared to other brands , and once you DO start ‘up-grading’ you end up in a situation where once one part is changed it throws everything else out of sink and you then end up replacing another part , then you need to replace another part , and another etc etc .

 

I buy what I can afford AND what I like , so my collection runs the whole gamut from £25 springer shotguns up to £600+ ‘special’ guns AND everything in between ! ?

I’ll be honest I’ve never encountered anyone looking down on my kit(but I think they probably realise from my general ‘demeanor’ I wouldn’t take any of that shit from anyone ?? but in the end who really cares ? I don’t ! ?

 

 

Quite right too. I've only got four RIFs however the one I shoot most often at home is the 20 quid Galaxy springer 1911 I picked up from BBG4L. Its a hoot.

Thankfully never come across any gear snobs at games, the folks at my home site are all great craic and there's none of that. However it seems to be pretty prevalent on the net. Stuff em.

 

3 hours ago, Tackle said:

 

Never say never ?

 

Pfft. Who am I trying to kid eh...

[Cannonfodder]

There's one thing the budget range rifs can do that TMs cant.

 

Give you a really smug sense of satisfaction when you light up a gear snob with it and they realise they were shot with something that cost a fraction of the price of theirs

[BigStew]

25 minutes ago, Cannonfodder said:

There's one thing the budget range rifs can do that TMs cant.

 

Give you a really smug sense of satisfaction when you light up a gear snob with it and they realise they were shot with something that cost a fraction of the price of theirs

poor sportsmanship all round there. used what you want play how you want to play. however i have never come across a gear snob running a stock TM its usually something overly upgraded (stupid rate of fire and running a ball hair below site limits)  that breaks ever other game but in the end if that's how they want to spend their money all power to them. As always the golden rule of airsoft is don't be a dick.

[Stratton Oakmont]

18 hours ago, Cannonfodder said:

There's one thing the budget range rifs can do that TMs cant.

 

Give you a really smug sense of satisfaction when you light up a gear snob with it and they realise they were shot with something that cost a fraction of the price of theirs

https://tacticaloutfitters.net/products/stop-being-poor-morale-patch

its your attitude that makes people wear these

[Ebeneezer Goode]

I'm not poor, I just like to spend my hard earned on other stuff... 

[Lozart]

58 minutes ago, Stratton Oakmont said:

https://tacticaloutfitters.net/products/stop-being-poor-morale-patch

 

 

Ah yes, the insignia of the HK Owners Club!

[TheFull9]

https://www.flexonthepoors.com/

[Cannonfodder]

I probably should've made it clear m last post wasn't supposed to be taken seriously 

Edited December 13, 2021 by Cannonfodder

[Shamal]

22 hours ago, BigStew said:

 As always the golden rule of airsoft is don't be a dick.

Unless,of course, you are Dick ?

?

Regards 

[AirSniper]

On 24/11/2021 at 19:03, Lozart said:

 

Most brands have the odd lemon in their range. TM pistols are always considered a safe bet, but then the 1911's are a bit rubbish and the original M9's were bad.

 

TM make generally good stuff, but as mentioned everyone else has pretty much caught up.

I have the 2011-1911, been pretty solid to date and out performs others, the other week when it was cold, my pistols were the only pistols working when others would get 2 or 3 shots and the gas is done, mine kept on firing fine.

People again with this FPS thing, it is a fixed energy rating. DO THE MATH....

A 0.2g BB fired at 320 feet per second is travelling at 218 miles an hour. (just to bring the FPS in to a realm that most of us understand)

 

SO why do you need to go faster? These are SAFETY LIMITS that are imposed by government and the sites in turn may have their specific rules and limits like the site my son likes out of all the ones he goes to is now weighing BB's to stop people subbing higher weight than was chronograph with.

ITS A SPORT AND GAME and it seems to me that the idea most people have is to want to have higher FPS to just hurt people as that is all that higher FPS does, hurt more, so maybe you're not suited to the sport...

All I can see in the future is airsoft will go the same way as guns and having to have proper background checks and regulations that will just stifle the sport and all because some want to push their luck.

Increasing the power can land you in trouble, serious trouble in the UK as the laws are ON THE  power and not FPS because FPS is the combination of the mass and the power, the FPS is variable based on how you select your load. SO you have a limited scope to work with, if you want to play with the law, remember that as soon as you break the JOULES LEGAL LIMIT it became an actual firearms offence, just possessing it is an offence and your choice if you want to play with the law like that. Its not the VCRA that airsoft is governed by, its also HSE and Firearms laws and Police and Crime act and several other laws that will be lurking in the wings. 

Summary is this...

 

WORK WITH WHAT YOU GOT BY DOING THE MATH.

[TheFull9]

Now I know what being mansplained to feels like.

[RostokMcSpoons]

Random CAPITALISATION for THE WIN !!!

[SBoardley]

6 hours ago, AirSniper said:

I have the 2011-1911, been pretty solid to date and out performs others, the other week when it was cold, my pistols were the only pistols working when others would get 2 or 3 shots and the gas is done, mine kept on firing fine.

People again with this FPS thing, it is a fixed energy rating. DO THE MATH....

A 0.2g BB fired at 320 feet per second is travelling at 218 miles an hour. (just to bring the FPS in to a realm that most of us understand)

 

SO why do you need to go faster? These are SAFETY LIMITS that are imposed by government and the sites in turn may have their specific rules and limits like the site my son likes out of all the ones he goes to is now weighing BB's to stop people subbing higher weight than was chronograph with.

ITS A SPORT AND GAME and it seems to me that the idea most people have is to want to have higher FPS to just hurt people as that is all that higher FPS does, hurt more, so maybe you're not suited to the sport...

All I can see in the future is airsoft will go the same way as guns and having to have proper background checks and regulations that will just stifle the sport and all because some want to push their luck.

Increasing the power can land you in trouble, serious trouble in the UK as the laws are ON THE  power and not FPS because FPS is the combination of the mass and the power, the FPS is variable based on how you select your load. SO you have a limited scope to work with, if you want to play with the law, remember that as soon as you break the JOULES LEGAL LIMIT it became an actual firearms offence, just possessing it is an offence and your choice if you want to play with the law like that. Its not the VCRA that airsoft is governed by, its also HSE and Firearms laws and Police and Crime act and several other laws that will be lurking in the wings. 

Summary is this...

 

WORK WITH WHAT YOU GOT BY DOING THE MATH.

Mansplain what the actual this has to do with choosing a TM ….PLeaSe!

[heroshark]

7 hours ago, AirSniper said:

I have the 2011-1911, been pretty solid to date and out performs others, the other week when it was cold, my pistols were the only pistols working when others would get 2 or 3 shots and the gas is done, mine kept on firing fine.

1911 and hi capa are 2 different animals. Capa will let off a greater amount of consistent shots in the cold due to the large gas reservoir a single stack mag 1911 not so much. 

[Stratton Oakmont]

7 hours ago, AirSniper said:

WORK WITH WHAT YOU GOT BY DOING THE MATH.

MATHS

[Rogerborg]

 

I don't.

 

I got too scarified by the MATHS being over 9000 in the "orbital space guns in a vacuum" thread.

[Lozart]

9 hours ago, AirSniper said:

I have the 2011-1911, been pretty solid to date and out performs others, the other week when it was cold, my pistols were the only pistols working when others would get 2 or 3 shots and the gas is done, mine kept on firing fine.

 

By "the 2011-1911" do you mean the M45A1? Because that's not the same internally. It has a 15mm BBU to address the exact problem I was talking about.

[RostokMcSpoons]

As I'm asking Santa to bring me a TM pistol for Xmas (a somewhat forlorn hope - apart from my wife resisting spending more on airsoft, would a retailer accept my UKARA ref on an order being paid for by someone else?) I have a question regarding the Hi-Capa's and the 15mm BBU.

Allegedly the D.O.R version of the Hi-Capa now has the 15mm BBU, which would make it perfect for me
(I like the simpler 1911's.  I'm not fussed about putting on a optic.  The price is currently £135 at Defcon, so no premium for the unused red dot capability)

Can anyone confirm it's true though?

https://www.airsoftsociety.com/threads/tokyo-marui-hicapa-d-o-r-dor.159313/

Edited December 14, 2021 by RostokMcSpoons

[ImTriggerHappy]

12 hours ago, AirSniper said:

I have the 2011-1911, been pretty solid to date and out performs others, the other week when it was cold, my pistols were the only pistols working when others would get 2 or 3 shots and the gas is done, mine kept on firing fine.

People again with this FPS thing, it is a fixed energy rating. DO THE MATH....

A 0.2g BB fired at 320 feet per second is travelling at 218 miles an hour. (just to bring the FPS in to a realm that most of us understand)

 

SO why do you need to go faster? These are SAFETY LIMITS that are imposed by government and the sites in turn may have their specific rules and limits like the site my son likes out of all the ones he goes to is now weighing BB's to stop people subbing higher weight than was chronograph with.

ITS A SPORT AND GAME and it seems to me that the idea most people have is to want to have higher FPS to just hurt people as that is all that higher FPS does, hurt more, so maybe you're not suited to the sport...

All I can see in the future is airsoft will go the same way as guns and having to have proper background checks and regulations that will just stifle the sport and all because some want to push their luck.

Increasing the power can land you in trouble, serious trouble in the UK as the laws are ON THE  power and not FPS because FPS is the combination of the mass and the power, the FPS is variable based on how you select your load. SO you have a limited scope to work with, if you want to play with the law, remember that as soon as you break the JOULES LEGAL LIMIT it became an actual firearms offence, just possessing it is an offence and your choice if you want to play with the law like that. Its not the VCRA that airsoft is governed by, its also HSE and Firearms laws and Police and Crime act and several other laws that will be lurking in the wings. 

Summary is this...

 

WORK WITH WHAT YOU GOT BY DOING THE MATH.

[Lozart]

1 hour ago, RostokMcSpoons said:

As I'm asking Santa to bring me a TM pistol for Xmas (a somewhat forlorn hope - apart from my wife resisting spending more on airsoft, would a retailer accept my UKARA ref on an order being paid for by someone else?) I have a question regarding the Hi-Capa's and the 15mm BBU.

Allegedly the D.O.R version of the Hi-Capa now has the 15mm BBU, which would make it perfect for me
(I like the simpler 1911's.  I'm not fussed about putting on a optic.  The price is currently £135 at Defcon, so no premium for the unused red dot capability)

Can anyone confirm it's true though?

https://www.airsoftsociety.com/threads/tokyo-marui-hicapa-d-o-r-dor.159313/

 

Yes, the DOR version is the one with the 15mm BBU.

 

The one thing to bear in mind is that the vast majority of aftermarket slides are for the OLD style BBU. HiCapas do not suffer from the same horrific lack of gas capacity that the standard 1911's do though so any HiCapa will be absolutely fine. That said, the DOR is £129 on Fire Support right now https://www.fire-support.co.uk/product/tokyo-marui-gas-blowback-hicapa-dor-dor-pistol

[Adolf Hamster]

2 hours ago, Rogerborg said:

I got too scarified by the MATHS being over 9000 in the "orbital space guns in a vacuum" thread.

 

you had to bring that up, i'd just about got that blanked from my memory......