GBBR thoughts...

[Good day]

On 21/12/2023 at 16:15, BigStew said:

Umarex is a rebrand company. Their H&K GBBR are made by VFC which are considered a higher quality over WE. £500 can get you a decent GBBR however if you want to use them in a game you need 5 to 6 mags and they start at £50 and up depending on manufacture. So a practical GBBR budget starts at around £700. Also even the high end guns require regular maintenance and are much more likely to break than an AEG. You also need to think of a GBBR will suit you. 5 GBBR mags can hold about the same number of BBs as 1 mid cap you have to chose your shots and full auto is pretty much out the window so any hire player will a single high cap can out gun you. I personally only use a GBBR for single shot indoor CQB. I tried outdoors got very frustrated and had to go back to the safe zone to grab an AEG after half an hour as I had reloaded my mags twice was out of BBs and our if gas.

 

Fair points there mate, 

I was really just wanting one for the more realistic feel, but yeah using them when everyone one else has high caps isn’t the best idea.

 

I have noticed most of the nicest guns Umarex makes are rebranded. 
a lot of their own stuff seems to cut corners and details that kind of feel like a waste. 

On 21/12/2023 at 16:15, RostokMcSpoons said:

 

Because MP5's are SO FRICKIN' COOL
 

 

??????

Lol, I’ve seen the G3s for £400 but the MP5s are like £600.

[gavinkempsell]

On 14/12/2023 at 17:25, Nick G said:

Mags wise I generally carry 5 for the 119's , 85 and G3 plus a speed loader.

Don't suppose you have a link for a gbb speed loader or adaptor do you?

[Nick G]

12 hours ago, gavinkempsell said:

Don't suppose you have a link for a gbb speed loader or adaptor do you?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/164737094336?epid=1519641833&hash=item265b1892c0:g:I4YAAOSw61Jj30CE&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAwO3MrPj1cTvpIaJhCiwgqAJYlLM7cAa5Ncoe1h%2FpCEcApm1rSWHKTEAsLMa4URMQXohfmZdUGRxg74Ky48EvKWjjV9lrs4tO09lyBrUiU0yDDyv%2BwgvF755qowt9BudFCcm3BdDmNQiEtNuIh06BXKIyAgGvsWEgR68h%2FojwxIquavXvppQsR%2BJPLWkaN%2FrgLXT9qb2WCT%2FzHj2ZRXprQV2XyIwHDIfC%2BYl96vZOKL0PR4ZgRsAZb4AyuYdW3XaslQ%3D%3D|tkp%3ABlBMUMqC6KaVYw

 

I just use one of these with the adaptor super glued on . Takes a little practice to get the angle onto the feed lips right, but then it's quick and easy to reload. And there are enough BBs in it to refill 5 mags if needed.

[RostokMcSpoons]

3 hours ago, Nick G said:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/164737094336

 

I just use one of these with the adaptor super glued on . Takes a little practice to get the angle onto the feed lips right, but then it's quick and easy to reload. And there are enough BBs in it to refill 5 mags if needed.

 

Yes you can definitely play with just a couple of mags and a speedloader, it adds some extra jeopardy to the proceedings, makes it more exciting ?

 

I bought a specialised adapter from eBay for my VFC 416 mags.  I think it made loading slightly easier.  Of more importance is the quality of the speedloader.  The cheapest ones won't even feed BBs reliable through their own mechanism.  The slightly better ones will struggle to push BBs against a strong spring.  The best ones work as you'd hope.  I have one like that, but damned if I know what brand it is.

 

I believe the g&g speedloader is rated very highly, I've not bought one yet but it's on my shopping list!

[C-Diddy]

I use a TM XL speedloader with the built-in pistol adapter, with works a treat with MWS mags. I also use an Odin for AEG M4 mags.

 

I do have the AirTac MWS adapter for the Odin, but still favour the TM loader.

 

I imagine it'd work with VFC mags too, using the pistol adapter. 

[Shaydee]

I've been using one of the GHK speedloader adapters glued on to a generic loader for my VFC mags, works a treat. I'll need to swap it around to a new one soon though as the loader is on its last legs after years of use ?

[Enid_Puceflange]

1 hour ago, Shaydee said:

I've been using one of the GHK speedloader adapters glued on to a generic loader for my VFC mags, works a treat. I'll need to swap it around to a new one soon though as the loader is on its last legs after years of use ?

Yup, same here

I always have a couple of these spare.

I got a friend to 3D print me an adapter for my Sidewinder loader, it works after gentle filing, just sounds really “crunchy”

 

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Edited December 27, 2023 by Enid_Puceflange

[gavinkempsell]

Ah ok, thanks. I have one of these already, hoped there might be an adaptor for the odin speedloader.

XM177 arrived today.

[CrackCommandoUnit1972]

Love the XM177

[gavinkempsell]

Just ordered an adaptor that fits the WE GBB mags from fleabay.

[GiantKiwi]

53 minutes ago, gavinkempsell said:

Just ordered an adaptor that fits the WE GBB mags from fleabay.

 

See, I just did the stupid thing and looked for STL's for a WE Mag loader, then spent 7.5 hours printing it as I hate those little speedloaders. https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/various/we-tech-m4-airsoft-speedloader 

 

Won't be printing it again, as that was tedious.

[Enid_Puceflange]

It was this thing I got printed

Only needed very slight filing adjustment to get it working pretty well

Only problem is the bulk of it, makes carrying it during gameplay a bit of a hassle

Welcome to try it if we ever get a chance to meet up at the same site one day dude!

 

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3967349/files

[Enid_Puceflange]

Hats off to Defcon

Order arrived earlier which was a surprise. Didn’t expect it until next month. Means I’m good for my next woodland game ?

 

[Sewdhull]

That's some pressure... I presume its absolute pressure, propane is 135 psia.

[C-Diddy]

The ASG green label Ultrair is 135psi

[Enid_Puceflange]

5 hours ago, Sewdhull said:

That's some pressure... I presume its absolute pressure, propane is 135 psia.

 

Those pressures are reported to be when at 25 deg C

Not much chance of that happening up here in January ?

 

[Sewdhull]

That's a useful thing to have on the gas for comparison.

The actual pressure I think will an atmosphere less as pressures are usually quoted with refence to a vacuum.

Anyone have the lil chart for green gas?

 

 

[Enid_Puceflange]

On 29/12/2023 at 21:24, Sewdhull said:

That's a useful thing to have on the gas for comparison.

 

Yeah, I was actually toying with the idea of getting the adhesive versions for on my mags to see their actual temperature, then realised the gas tubes are inside the polymer mag shell and would therefore only give an outdoors reading

still might be handy ??‍♂️

Edited December 31, 2023 by Enid_Puceflange

[C-Diddy]

54 minutes ago, Sewdhull said:

Anyone have the lil chart for green gas?

 

 

This one?

 

[Sewdhull]

Yes. Every gas cylinder should have that. Thank you.

 

Find out what pressure your gun likes and then adjust your gas to suit.

Edited December 30, 2023 by Sewdhull

[Enid_Puceflange]

Well, 

Ran it today at an indoors site

Snow on the ground outside and a temp of 2 C, wasn’t much warmer inside

A comfy 1.2J using the Orange Ultrair and dialled in with the Npas

[Sewdhull]

Oh, you have an adjustable valve...I take it your experience of propane or the propane butane mix hasn't been successful at that sort of temp?

[Enid_Puceflange]

1 hour ago, Sewdhull said:

Oh, you have an adjustable valve...I take it your experience of propane or the propane butane mix hasn't been successful at that sort of temp?

Never bothered with Propane

i bought a bottle and a nozzle, filled a mag and the smell almost made me Vom

So screw that!! ?

[Tackle]

20 minutes ago, Enid_Puceflange said:

Never bothered with Propane

i bought a bottle and a nozzle, filled a mag and the smell almost made me Vom

So screw that!! ?

?Your not supposed to sniff it, by any chance are you from Glasgow ? ?

[Sewdhull]

Propane butane mix is the ultrair buff coloured bottle