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I agree with what you've said, but you seem to have ignored what I mentioned about nav lights. A 20-30 lumen light in red, green or blue will certainly not be visible from long distances/across lanes/around corners etc the way a strong white light would; very far from it. If people flash their weapon lights around just for the purposes of seeing where they're going then that's a problem with their specific equipment and tactics, it's not a problem with lights. One thing we all got told to buy going through basic was a small Gerber torch with filters for the above mentioned colour as well as white, we all used them extensively through many long nights and they worked well indeed. A white light will absolutely give away your position as well as ruining your night vision along with the rest of your teams'; a small red light will not do any of those things realistically when used properly. Airsofters just don't take this in to account as they're not aware of it, you can't bunch all lights in one category as all having the same effects.

I take mine out to dinner & a movie now & then but not bought it flowers for a while but I do try to let her know how special she is (missus does get jealous though) normally shooting outside in daylight is whre I chrono - soz for being silly once more

Thanks for the reply and I think your comments will help push forward making Cerakote gun available oversea. You have to forgive us that we don't get the player perspective from outside US very often so logically we form our policy based on what we know.

My name is Allen and I work for Kriss USA. You can find me as Kriss Allen on Facebook. I apologise that you feel Krytac seemingly neglecting the UK market. I like to explain why there are difficulties to deal with custom gun shipping out from US to other regions. For one, US model HAVE TO HAVE ORANGE TIP during transport. That means if you ever get one will have that ugly orange tip coming with the gun. Two, opening the store to oversea force the US operations to build multiple FPS configurations from 1J to 1.7J just for other regions. We are not ready for that.... yet. Three, you will pay a whole lot more shipping out from US vs. shipping from Asia. And most importantly, we can't provide warranty when shipped over sea. Which positive user experience is important to us. That said, I completely understand your point and Krytac should provide more details why we can't do it. I'll probably meet up with Shield PSD sooner or later and I'll bring up making Cerakote gun availability and support issues with them. BTW, the gun ran out of stock in UK simply there are more demands than anticipated. Our factory in Taiwan have to fill multiple regions from Italy, Austria, Switzerland and now Canada is added to the list. Production capacity is maxed out right now. Think of growing pain. I believe another UK shipment should be on the way already. In any case, I welcome any questions and comments. Otherwise, find me on FB, l chat with players all the time. Cheers.

SureFire hasn't 'gone away', far from it they've significantly updated their entire line and come out with some really good new models over the past year or two. They're just really bloody expensive and you can get a pretty bright LED light that's fine for airsoft use with a picatinny mount for £20 or less. In the current economic climate (combined with the availability of cheap stuff from china) the real deal stuff is never going to see much popularity amongst the average skirmishers.

All you UK loadout lot pay attention! Good luck in getting your greasy mitts on this lot: http://www.combatandsurvival.com/news/international/570-new-integrated-personal-protection-for-uk-forces

One thing I think some people overlook is how use of light effects your team. I've had a couple of occasions at The Outpost where a team mate turns his torch on and off checking different areas, my eyes were adjusted to the dark but now it's basically impossible to see without that damn torch lol. I'm not saying people shouldn't do it but it goes from me thinking that i'll get used to the dark to thinking I wish I had a torch now as my eyes can't adjust.

A what? Edit: Never mind. Ironically I googled it.

VAT is at 20% at the moment, so that's what folks need to factor in (as a minimum) to any purchase coming in from outside the EU, being sure to factor in shipping as mentioned. At around £130 import duty kicks in, which varies by the type of goods, plus your nice fee of around £10-20 from PF/UPS/FedEx for 'handling'. Last I read, the threshold at which VAT kicked in was £15 regardless of stuff being a gift or not. Doubt it's changed, but gov.uk has the info for average individuals all mixed in with the business info and spread across many pages; PITA to find right now. You get a white sticker explaining it all on the outside of any package you import ant pay VAT on.. wish I'd kept one as that's the most concise source for all this stuff. It's usually the slightly smaller HK businesses that will fudge the paperwork and sometimes they take it too far. If customs don't believe the value written on the package based on the size and weight of the box (sometimes they open them up, but not often in my experience of importing multiple packages per month for about 4 years now) they'll send you the above mentioned letter asking for invoices etc then you'll definitely have to pay full whack and it takes bloody ages for them to sort it out. It gets even worse with RIFs if they query the value or the agent that checks your package isn't fully clued up on the VCRA. I've had guns held for months when they've questioned my defence and the value together, took a lot of e-mails, letters and fairly long and annoying phone calls with some particularly jobs-worth people to remedy the problems. Many of the larger retailers like eHobby and AS Global will not make false claims on the paperwork, so it really varies by who you're buying from. I always use WGC and their checkout does allow you to change some numbers, but obviously nobody should do that as it's like, illegal and stuff and I'd never do that. I don't see them as being much in the way of competition to UK airsoft businesses personally. It's maybe once in a turquoise moon that a UK retailer actually stocks the things I want, so they're not 'losing' my money in that sense. I import 99% of my airsoft and kit/gear, it's saved me a lot over the years vs buying from within the UK. Probably clocking up in to the thousands by this point if I were to hazard a guess.

Eugh.. facebook.. great for throw-away content (memes etc), absolutely rubbish for anything meaningful if you ever want to find the information again any time in future, or indeed have a decent discussion about anything in a format that's not insulting to the eyes. I guess I'm just old...

So here is first of mine, I do like to eat fresh!

Arnies is great for information on pretty much any gun.

While I agree with many of the sentiments here about pistols, there is one good reason to have one. They are fun ! Most of us do this hobby because we are interested in the different types of guns. Pistols may have questionable benefit in a skirmish but they are interesting and fun to own. If you have one, why not strap it to your leg or plate carrier and carry it in games ?

I think it looks pretty good, never played the previous games so get to judge it on it's own merits. I was pretty pissed off with DICE/EA over how BF4 launched but DICE has continued working on it, both on the technical issues and the balance side. Pretty impressive, especially as BF2 never had pretty gamebreaking issues it had resolved. I'd say I would wait for the reviews but in all honesty I get as excited about games as I did 20 years ago.

Just bought a atacs fg ricas with atacs clothing belt holster etc

I just got mine now, and damn if it's not bloody bright. Five minutes after "testing" it and I still have a big blind spot burned into my retina

Well i suppose i should bust out the guns from the Armoury then: Not shown in the list below is also my Mancraft Powered TM VSR-10, still some stuff to do to that like getting a wooden stock and a proper more secure bipod. WE M9 Beretta in Resident Evil STARS logos etc, have about 3 Gas and 4 CO2 Mags for this thing KSC M93R in all metal construction, have about 4 x 39rds mags for this, looking to get the stock sometime later G&G G733 Revolver, got about 18 shells for this and one speed loader, got for the s**ts and giggles and is only used for back yard plinking as reloading this in a skirmish would be annoying as hell Krytac Trident CRB, just an M4, used mostly as a loan gun to friends and family when they come Airsofting, some cheapo KAC QD Silencer, Clone MAGPUL MBUS Sights and Clone MAGPUL Angled foregrip G&G MP5 A5 modified to have a different RAS Rail at the front with a PEQ box attached, got about 4 mags for this and a clone EoTech 551 holo sight, again another loan gun for friends and family KWA Kriss Vector, a heavily modified Vector, custom spray paint job done by me (and properly too disassembly, primer, paint, lacquer etc etc), got about 7 mags, ModelWorks RAS hand guard, clone SureFire Scout light, 300mm TBB inner barrel with external barrel to go with too, NPAS, Right hand Mag release set G&G TR4-18 (HK 416) This is my gun, the one that will always go with me to games, this nobody borrows, has a Gleissel Rail at the front end, KAC QD Silencer by G&P, front Vertical grip, (not shown) Real steel SureFire Scout Light, Contour ActionCam mount, Real Steel EoTech 552 Holo Sight The future, plan on getting a longer barrelled M4 like weapon using M4 Mags (so that mags can be interchangeable), Polarizing it and using it as a DMR with maybe a real steel Leupold Sights.

One step closer... Adapter turned up today....here it is with my suppressor (I know Stonebridge doesn't have the KAC style, however, I had this already and I like it on there)

Let me know what you think, and if possible, show me YOUR first ever loadout! I know this is nothing special, just some gear picked up on Ebay. The gun is G&G CM16 Carbine, from Zero One.

I'd suggest you buy an aeg rifle ie an m4 with a long barrel and low magnification scope. Airsoft snipping isn't as fun as it may sound and is usually a role taken on by people who have been playing for a while or have watched too meny American army films. a good m4 with hop dialed in will shoot far enough but also mean you can switch roles mid game if you want to have some full auto fun.

I just took a quick google search, the answers are out there, unsurprisingly!

I think there's a lot of misunderstandings regarding the tactics of light employment in this thread. Nobody who has even the faintest clue what they're doing ever walks around with a 300-500 lumen light set to constant on; or indeed turns on their light for any more than about half a second when there's any chance there might be enemy presence close by (and only then if it's really necessary). All my weapon lights are equipped with momentary-only switches/remote pads. When you need light to navigate, you have something small in the range of sub-50 lumens using red, green or blue and obviously use it as sparingly as possible but just as much as is necessary to not break your face on something. The light on your pistol or rifle will depend on your environment as if you're outside you want something brighter than if you're indoors (especially with white walls) but will generally be white and 200+ lumens. You use it in short, controlled bursts to highlight your target once you're actually engaged with said target, then fire and move inbetween firing the light to keep an eye on the enemy. If it's a strong light and they've been in the dark for even a minute or so it'll be disorienting to the enemy. Regardless of how much their eyes have adjusted the source of the light they're seeing won't be small enough to give an accurate aiming point; often quite the opposite and they'll likely see a very large cone of light. When combined with the fact you should be moving and they're trying to fire back while taking fire themselves, they shouldn't be able to get a proper bead on you at all, whereas you will have seen them clearly through proper employment of your light and will be able to get a precise aim on them. Not having a dig at anyone, but I think there will be lurkers who aren't familiar with this sort of thing as it's rarely mentioned in airsoft.

F*ck me - bet you learnt to park your car at the proper car park after that or was it like that when you bought it ??? best call AutoGlass m8 - that little chip looked like it has turned into cwwwwwwwwack should of called them earlier and you could of kept ya no claims bonus

since im under eighteen i wear a mesh full face mask with safety glasses underneath. It seems a bit ott but just incase a bb does get through or breaks up it will save my eyes and there is no fogging so win win.

Just don't use head torches... ever! They just beg to be shot at and I'm more than happy to oblige.

I kinda go the other way and have a 75lumen pistol torch fitted to my m4 as it is bright enough to see by and pick out wnimies in the dark but not so bright that an i xan be seen from space. Rule nuber 1 of a torch if you can see, you can be seen! The brighter th torch the further away people notice the light moving arond from.

I wasn't actually saying I prefer alternatives; if you're worried about damage to a SureFire you just put in a sacrificial lens, the metal body of the light's never going to be damaged by a BB. Various ways of covering up the actual light emitting head. But I'm quite conscious of the fact they're excessively built for most airsoft usage and to be honest, I'm pretty wary of reverse-snobs these days after various things I've had said to me. But anyway, right now I have a few SF lights of various models because I tried some Insight clones initially and they quite literally fell apart on me the first game I tried to use them. That made me purchase a Streamlight TLR-1 and once I saw how much higher the RS quality actually is (even at the 'lower end' with the TLR) I never looked at a clone again. The clones have generally gotten quite a bit better since then, long as you're careful what you pick (from what I've seen), but personally I don't trust them any more. Plus I like the fact I can get a wide variety of mounts and other things for the SF lights and know they'll all fit together and work. But as with anything, it all depends what you want in this great game of ours.

ASG Shotgun? Never let me down since!

wow had a lot less light when I played there if that is the one where the defenders fall back after being shot to start defending again as attackers push up (walk in the park for tunnel rats attacking btw they are that bloody good....) THAT was the flaw in the game, you fall back in the centre of tunnel to walk back to next point right smack bang into the main line of streams of bb's coming at ya - OUCH getting shot in the back no matter how hard you try to stick to edges of tunnel you have to at some point go around the odd barricade into near centre & F*CK ME OUCH torch and possible back padding or plate carrier mightr be good idea if going to tunnels brill place - top mofo's them rats but a bit " dark & full on " is how I would describe it deffo should be experienced though - just go prepared

Very very impressive! I love the vector as well such an epic piece of kit

Oh you do, do you? If I had it my way, criminals evicted of assault would not be allowed to learn how to more effectively hurt people. I have just lived enough life to know that a lot of criminals does just this, reoffend, get caught, let out again and so it goes. It is a game and a sport, but it does utilise items that can and are being used in criminal activity, hence who can participate should be limited. As for common sense in laws.. I really do not see what you are hinting at, but common sense does sadly not apply in English laws, nor is it possible with the way the legal system works in England. I do not think this discussion can further progress I can not see your point of view and you can clearly not see mine. I suggest we leave it at that.

In future, it might be a good idea to leave if you find yourself working for a company or person whose values you do not share or want to be associated with - and I am saying this not as criticism towards you, but rather, a general piece of advice that you might want to consider, not so much for the sake of the customers sake - but for your own. Again, I know nothing about you, no harsh feelings!

AAAH-HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAA XD >Its an alright company Nah, they're crooks. >after working there you get to find out alot stuff behind closed doors. I would go on to explain what happaned but it will take way too long. I'm sure it would be very appreciated and that a lot of people on here would love to read it. >Seen alot threads which mention I was/am a bad tech. I personally think this was far from truth. Most of us in the shop fixed the guns but only 3 of us could do it to a high/good standard. The rest just bodged the f*ck out of them but ofcourse because I was the main tech everything which that shop repaired reflected onto me! Yea.. I know nothing about you or your tech skills, but this did not come out very well - sounds like you're passing blame without backing it. Just sayin'

+1 on chrono from me, got the old 3200 but the idea of external power from usb plus detach screen sounds nice main thing for me is batteries dying on my 3200 just just as I go to run a quick test for that external psu option and a damn good robust make I will deffo keep an eye for any good deals

They seem to acknowledge the fact that the 1 joule rule is flawed when it comes to airsoft, and even points out that airsoft currently has its own exemption within the law, hence the consultation question: "2.63 If the threshold of lethality was set at 1 joule should there be a specific exemption for the airsoft trade, similar to that already contained within the Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006?" I plan to respond, and poi t out that airsoft should retain its exemption, or perhaps adopt the higher joule limit in RIFs which my nature of their hop up, loading mechanism or magazines cannot be loaded with any missile other than spherical pellets, rendering the earlier observation about sharp projectiles null

They are not classed as airguns because they are not, there are separate laws for airguns. Neither are they Firearms. As long as he isn't doing anything dodgy with them he is perfectly entitled to own and use them, as long as he has a defence.

What the VCRA says is the important bit though, not UKARA

High quality mesh is perfectly fine and thousands of people use it without issue; have been for years and years. If you skimp on the most important bit of your loadout and opt for super cheap eye pro you roll the dice on your eyesight, simple as. Whether it's really cheap mesh or really cheap plastic, if the quality is extremely low there's a good chance shots could get through (from any muzzle energy gun at any range).

My first loadout and first time ever playing airsoft

This was my first loadout. Just wore what I found in my wardrobe. Had my trusty DE Shotgun and P90, and a spring pistol. Didn't manage to get anyone that day.

My 1st load out - the gun is a rental:

I think knee pads are pretty essential, it really hurts when you're kneeling on BBs on a hard floor! Also full finger protective gloves - I've lost count of the amount of times I get shot on the fingers and even with tactical gloves it knackers!

Hey you have all you need. Good kit to start with You asked for photos of our first load outs. Here's mine. I was actually into living history before airsoft so had my load out before.

nice 1, but i wouldnt wear the mesh googles

Sneaky Zero one, that two tone looks awesome. And on absurdly easy to replace parts. Looks like a good start.

I'd recommend full finger gloves and switching to lipo or life batteries, but other than that you've got just the stuff you need. Small torch is definitely a good one, something I forgot when first visiting a dark indoor site. End of the day as long as you have quality eye pro you can't go far wrong in airsoft.

perfect for first loadout might need another mag & battery perhaps - but for first outing bang on might want full finger gloves for bit better protection but then it ain't so cold now pair off boots next but you can scrape by with trainer boots with good soles you did your research - full marks for that sir (good gun btw)

My first loadout 5 years ago, consisted of jeans, a winter jacket, and a viper assault vest. I was thinking next time I go CQB, to just wear comfy jeans, trainers, and a polo shirt with a simple belt rig. So much easier lol.