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  1. SeniorSpaz87

    Gun picture thread

    .40 S&W was made after a requirement for the FBI was posted due to the Platt and Matix case back in 86. One of the two was shot through the heart in the opening seconds of the gun battle, yet he went on to kill some 5 agents before finally bleeding out. The FBI was adamant it was the small caliber of their 38 Special revolvers that was the issue, not a lack of training. S&W received the contract to create a new bullet and gun that could use it. (This is where my information starts to get a bit hazy - been a few years since I heard the "behind the scenes" story. Ill update this should I find my info is slightly wrong. The premise still stands) This lead to the creation of the .40S&W. The FBI, however, wanted to use a round that was near-identical to the .40 - the 10mm. The 10mm and .40S&W work in the same guns, are the same sized bullet, similar enough casings, etc - similar to how .357 Magnum and 38 Special can be interchanged as long as your gun is rated to the higher pressures of the .357. However, the 10mm was such a "hot" round (industry term - meaning fast, powerful, lots of kick, etc) that many agents couldn't handle it. It also had issues in the upsized S&W 9mm guns S&W made for it. The FBI was unhappy and got into a massive legal battle with S&W over it. Long story short S&W won the case as the guns were built to the FBI's original specifications, and not the specifications of the 10mm. This lead to both calibers being available. In the end a .40S&W has very similar ballistic properties to a 9mm, but it kicks harder and puts far more stress on a gun than a 9mm. A "Race" style pistol like that would have issues with a .40S&W. A 10mm would be even worse. I know all this as my grandfather was actually a key witness for the case. He was with the FBI but left a bit before on an indefinite leave of absence to pursue his holster making business idea (what eventually became Rogers Holster Company, then HolsterOps and then a major part of Safariland). He also had his range and training that was being utilized by the US Gov for military training. As a part of the trial the judge ordered both groups to agree on an independent contractor to test the guns and ammo, and both parties were happy to use Rogers. It was something crazy that he and his team had to do - something like take 200 guns and test 500 rounds through each gun. He said they ended up wearing welding gloves and taping their wrists up with duct tape to get through it all. His findings were in line with S&W's argument, so the FBI actually lost that trial. The interesting thing about it all was - it wasnt the bullet that was the issue. Matix was a dead man regardless - no surgeon in the world could save him. But the shot could have been fired by any handgun up to and including a .44 Magnum or .50 AE, and the result would have been similar. The FBI training at the time was to fire a single shot into the torso within 1.5 seconds. If the officer had put all 5 rounds from his revolver into the chest, or even better tried for a headshot (the two were less than two feet apart. It would not have been a difficult shot...) things might have turned out different. There were a lot of other issues in that case that changed Bereau policies, but Im not going to get into them all here.
    3 points
  2. Personally love a Kimber ? Never had one mind, tried to build one a few years back but couldn’t find all the parts required.
    2 points
  3. Alimcd

    Gun picture thread

    Advanced frame arrived yesterday for this beastie. I think she’s a looker, but I’m a sucker for cats
    2 points
  4. Sometimes a shit day and pay day coincide, and you make some potentially questionable decisions. Let's see how this plays out ?‍♂️.
    2 points
  5. FYI, your postman hates you due to the placement of your letterbox ?
    2 points
  6. GenuineGerman

    What have you made?

    Cut this on our Waterjet today, so didn’t really make anything just drew it up. 10mm MS, now to keep it like that or do something with it ?
    1 point
  7. Alimcd

    Gun picture thread

    I’m never going to be able to unsee the Yule log chocolate icing effect now!
    1 point
  8. Druid799

    Gun picture thread

    I’m not a great lover of pistols but I do like that , except for the grips , they look to me like you bought them from your local bakery , they look like a black Yule log stood on its end ! ? BUT As long as your happy , then who cares ? ?
    1 point
  9. Alimcd

    Gun picture thread

    Friend of mine who’s a jeweller told me off for not wearing the watch he sold me. “There’s no point in owning it if you’re not going to use it” She’ll get muddy, yup, but then I get to clean the dirty girl up
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  10. So I got through to the UPS Brokerage (Thank you RebelScum). They just confirmed my shipments are in customs inspection and they can't do anything until they are released. I see TG are now accepting orders to the UK again but it is still via UPS so no order from me
    1 point
  11. Shamal

    Gun picture thread

    That's a lovely piece.Bet you won't field it. Regards
    1 point
  12. I've dropped TG an email this morning. Hopefully this will nudge things my way.
    1 point
  13. Is Temperate Vegetato really considered Gucci now? Heck it was my first uniform haha. Anyway, while the full kit got held up in customs until - funnily enough - today it was nice to run the Tropentarn kit at Op Stonebreaker the past weekend. Now that the rest of the stuff's arrived Ill have to do a full kit pic sometime before Op Firestorm in late April. The Black Cherry preformed well, though there were some odd FPS fluctuations I still have to sort out I suppose.
    1 point
  14. Italian Gucci camo and Tactical Flannel. I look well 'ard Hope you like the toilet.
    1 point
  15. Back home from work trip away, new sight and speedloader arrived. Soon as the kids were in bed, bunged it onto the 933 ? happy with the result, however too knackered from work to try it out tonight. Some fun this weekend practicing in the garden to zero it. Added the rubber jibber/bayonet for a bit of old skool effect. Not sure if I'll skirmish with it mounted but will have it on my vest as a SHTF/superCQB backup. I'd imagine it's a typo, 5mW (milliwatt - typical laser e.r.p., 5MW (megawatt) is Sci-Fi weapon territory and would fry whatever it was pointed at...) Sounds about right. Still if be careful. Used to work with lasers in a previous job, as a private pilot I've known plenty of private and professional colleagues who've been Lasered by some fucking twat at night and nearly blinded - a couple of mW is enough - bloody dangerous to your eyes if not careful. I personally feel uncomfortable with others pointing them about the field, and would never fit one to my RIF. Just my opinion...
    1 point
  16. ajumma

    THE TM MWS thread

    Just spotted this! https://www.wgcshop.com/collections/new-arrivals/products/omg-lt-style-folding-stock-adaptor-for-ar-platform-gbbr?fbclid=IwAR0eO8Bs6LuNaq0ETKu1Rpwk4snKlH6P_fGifoz1BtZhkhXCEU8QWK9xkX4 Any thoughts?
    1 point
  17. Does it stop the weekly kebab and pizza leaflets?
    1 point
  18. I see you got the Australian Export model
    1 point
  19. Piman

    What have you made?

    Another one.... This time a simple mock silencer/suppressor. This has some internal profiling which hopefully you can make out in the CAD image. James
    1 point
  20. There is usually at least one of us in my regular group (The Old Gits) with biscuits, sometimes it's donuts , be rude not to share ?. I find a small flask covers my tea needs for a game . All these youngsters running around like their hair is on fire with all their 'operator' kit strapped to their plate carrier when all you actually need is a pouch large enough to take the flask and a double stanag pouch for biccies . That and a couple of hicaps and you're golden ? Old Gittery is more a state of mind than anything else so all ages welcome........just don't let anyone see you run !
    1 point
  21. Are the biscuits and beverages provided? If so can we set the age limit at say, my age minus a year? ?
    1 point
  22. Welp, TRMR got stolen this weekend. Thats gonna be a PITA to replace...
    0 points
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