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Cannot unsee ? (the below image is literally the first image on Google images if you search 'speedsoft team')

I always think of these fellas when I see a HPA rig....

ahh systema, the OG hpa quick adjusting fps wanker

I don't think his issue is solely how much it is, it's the whole "why buy an expensive gun only to have to spend a shedload more it", to that end I'm in agreement, in much the same way I cringe when a new member posts up "just bought a new gun, not used it yet, what should I upgrade ?" FFS, get out & play with it, whether it's a £100 gun or costs £1k, it'll usually do exactly what it's supposed to within the boundaries of physics, no amount of money spent will surmount the laws of physics while staying within site FPS limits ?

Not entirely sure what the point is in ejaculating a wodge of moolah on a posh, Gucci airsoft weapon then swapping out shitloads of bits in it for even more moolah. What's the benefit, aside from massaging one's overinflated ego or enhancing someone else's bank account? I'll stick to my budget junk that does the same job, flinging plastic spheres at not-very-stunning velocities towards the opposing players...

It’s a running argument between the two main camps of TM recoil fan , on the one side(the side I’m on) you have the players who say leave well alone they don’t NEED to be upgraded bar sticking a deans on it . Then in the other are the ones who say it’ll become the ultimate BB slinger by basically changing near everything in it turn it in to ‘triggers broom’ , which my side thinks rather defies the point of having one in the first place ! ? PS you can NEVER save or regain the magic dust once you crack the gearbox open .?

2nd hand Cyma CM041 highspeed stripped of the dark green / black camo paint. Re-shimmed gears, already short stroked 4 teeth on the sector gear so took 4 off the rack to prevent PEM. Wired in a Gate MERF mosfet to the rear (loads of room in the stock) new air nozzle (worst part of any Cyma!) and threw in a Maple Leaf hop rubber and nub. G&P front end with LED torch, I have some 2mm lexan coming to make a lens protector for the inevitable CQB shoot out ? Shooting 340fps (+/- 2fps) on 0.20g and 19rps on a 7.4v I could run an 11.1v but I don't need 27rps!

Let me get this straight. Twelve hundred quid for an Airsoft gun. Regardless whether its been blessed by the Machine Gods of Warhammer 40k, or has a tungsten inner barrel with titanium gears and a 100000rpm motor that runs off a mini fusion reactor, or has xyz other features designed to impress Gear Geeks but with sod-all difference to the average player in a skirmish, it's still a plastic pellet-firing toy gun. For twelve hundred quid. Mental.

Now, I was gonna weigh in and then thought to myself I really can't be asked because most of you all know where I stand when it comes to TM recoils so I'll just say a few words..... not many.... just a few... I've been in and out of airsoft since 2005 and I've seen all kinds of pews. Crap ones, good ones, wannabe ones and 'you-can't-touch-this' ones. I remember when the first recoils came out the price point was pretty high and I recall how people ridiculed the platform back then and for some reason many still do to this day. Then the Systema came out circa 2008 and boy oh boy oh boy... the Systema haters materialised literally over night... It was incredible the back talking you'd get when you'd go to a game..... but you know what? That's what I had, that's what I wanted to play with and that's what I spent my money on. For all those TM and PTW haters there were scores more who loved seeing the new platforms and asked questions and wanted to have a go.... and many still do today.... Now we all know a stock TM recoil is a bloody good pew pew and it does what it says on the tin... yes the average price is about £500.... and I accept it's a lot of money.... However, you can chose to leave it alone and play with 0.28g bbs and shoot accurately up to 40-45m. Or you can make it even better if you so wish to... You can elevate a TM recoil to the near halo heights of Systema God-like range and accuracy. Yes I've said it... 'God-like' and especially more so if it's a Tackleberry PTW. Those who have one and have played with one will know what I mean. The only platform that comes close out of the box to a Systema is the GBLS-DAS (so I've heard) and a mate of mine has bought one and we will put them both to the test but that's a different story for another day..... There are some great TM builders out there namely E6, KoA and CAMO... these guys know how to take a TM and elevate it to near Systema performance...some may even say better.... and yes it costs money..... a lot of money.... Will it make you a better player? Maybe? Who knows? Will it put a smile on your face each time you pull the trigger? Hell yes! So why do it? Well that's easy to answer.... Coz we want to. Coz we are intrigued on what we can get out of the platform... Coz we can. Coz we simply love to tinker...... That's the beauty of this hobby... You can put a little into it or as much as you want into it.... Oh FFS, I've said a few more words than I wanted to..... hey ho!

it's a tricky one, on the one hand i do agree that if you're gonna trigger's broom an aeg, might as well start with a cheaper platform. however the exception to that is when the base platform offers something that isn't really plausible for a cheaper gat, in the tm recoils case it's the other features such as, well, the recoil, that make it a desirable starter (whether or not you care about recoil is a different matter) same as how an e&l ak sure as shit looks a lot prettier and has stronger external components than a cyma. which if you have my crippling addiction to blued steel is something worth paying for. i completely agree with this *looks at his desk covered in unskirmished e&l guts and aftermarket parts* do as i say not as i do

To answer that part, it's largely the fact that Marui's are set up purely for the Japanese market and they couldn't give a rats about anywhere else. The fact they come in 'low' FPS wise by the laws over here means many want to get that additional 70 FPS (give or take) out of them. But doing so puts additional strain on other gearbox components and such the 'upgrade' train starts-a-rollin'. Do you need to? As covered earlier it's, for some reason or another, hotly debated... but that's the reasoning. Ultimately 'adequate' is very much a subjective term, having been around the hobby for a long time it's easy for me to forget that stock parts from other manufacturers have come a long way... but I'll never trust brass barrels ?.

Yes I am new ish to the world of tm recoil, it sits out of my normal budget, I like eating and rent is apparently a thing that I shouldn't miss. So this is a tech that can make tm recoils work with upgrades, capture the magic dust as it were, uh, fair enough. An ad for tm fan bois only then.

Nohttps://prefired.co.uk/ads/tm-m4-cqbr-l192a-longsword/ Am I missing something or is this actually worth it? (No it isn't, even with the £109 million win) Sure all the original bits are there sure there are some select parts involved and the work done by (i'm guessing) reputable techs....but! This looks like a high ball expecting lower end offers. Then consider what the person wants to swap for, it a joke right? So many things wrong when you also consider fps

Mine are all Gen2 mags and I’ve not done any mod to them. I can’t see the need to do a green gas mod or even change the O ring unless I have a leaky valve. I’ll stick in some Abbey Ultra tomorrow and see how many shots I can fire off in one mag. Remember Badabing uses propane in his mags and perhaps he gets a better efficiency using his particular setup. Also remember the nozzles on each manufacturers bottles may be different and this may affect fill issues with the mags. This is not an exact science.

Or this...

A lot like this! 1?

Lockdown project so far - GHK 105 with VS Rail and PT stock

Element Gear 2020Ver. DBAL-A2 https://www.egtactical.com/laser-sight/70-86-2020ver-dbal-a2-laser-pointer.html#/39-color-dark_earth

I get mine and used a spare buckle thing from something else to attach it. I also had a soft sided mask that I attached to the clips in the corner however your ear pro would get in the way of that. I've seen other people who have attached it to the nvg retention bungies or this one guy who fitted poppers to his helmet straps

Made a mock grenade out of a roll on deodorant ??‍♂️

Last year's stuff I had a go at making a bladerunner deckard blaster using resin. I'm soon to do V2 using a DWL kit for a h8r. A more viable option than spending nearly a grand on a delicate and rare HWS deckard blaster replica. Although I still want one. A working airsoft blunder buss converted from a denix replica. Fired mad bull shotgun shells. Tbh you could convert almost any denix flintlock to fire shells. And I had a tm uzi that the trigger snapped on, so I grafted the body around a KWC mini uzi to make a GBB uzi. I've done other stuff last year, I made a semi auto spas 12 shell ejector from a maruzen m1100 and a broken TM, a wrist mounted grenade launcher for about £2.50 but I can't find any photos.

My loadout, scrap the flecktarn!

Why would spend that much money on a RIF? Because you want to and/or you can. Why wouldn't you spend that much money on a RIF? Because you don't want to and/or you can't. It's the one repeatedly occuring topic I'll never understand alongside gucci gear, not that it comes up... I absolutely understand that part. But how it can turn so personal/vitriolic. Said it before and I'll say it again, stop caring about what other people do/don't do with their hobby money (for me that extends to just 'in general') unless it actually affects you in a negative way. Given what's in/on it I don't actually think the price is a million miles away from reasonable. That's a long ol' list of not particularly cheap things. I imagine that pair of p-mags alone isn't far off £100 by todays rates. Will it take someone in the market for those exact things (or close to) to pay that? Sure, but that's the case with RIF that's had internal/external work. Edit: Just priced up what I'd consider the 'extras' (basically anything that isn't the RIF with the hi-cap) and that comes to about £750. A stock NGRS is £500ish? Plus the seemingly £1000 worth of stuff put in it by KoA. Not just saying it seems like a reasonable price to be a contrarian, by the usual given pricing advice on here it falls well within reasonable. Just because it's expensive doesn't mean it's over priced purely in financial terms. Would opinion lead some to believe it's over priced? Sure. But I think every P90 I see is overpriced because free is too expensive for what I'd pay. One thing I would say though, for the asking price the ad is nowhere near fleshed out enough. There should be a detailed listing of what is actually in it rather than a 'go look it up yourself'.