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If you want to do the training because you will enjoy the experience then go ahead but if you expect it to improve your game you will just waste money to be honest. In my experience people who try the real world room clearance stuff are actually at a disadvantage as the steady controlled aspect does not suit airsoft at all. Real world stuff is based on the fact of tension and the fear of death or taking a life so they expect some hesitation. But when facing 16yr olds hopped up on monster it becomes about reactions and you will get rinsed. Airsoft room clearance and cqb is a war of attrition where it is about fast movement and faster reactions. Clearing a room is about going in fast probably dying but hoping to take someone with you and lessening the bodies in the room or even better just chucking grenades in. Without grenades a couple of good players can hold a room against overwhelming numbers for a very lengthy amount of time. I have seen so many players and teams try the whole tactical bit and inevitably they get rinsed and generally get upset and most often are the biggest arses on site.

Oh so spot on , if your playing a mil-sim or even film-sim game where everyone’s running low/real capacity magazines and actively managing there ammo then yes I could see pretty much any kind of professional training really helping your game , but not on a ‘normal’ walk on gameday . As trigger said when you’ve got adrenaline pumped players running around with a rental AK and a 600rd hi-cap hosing the crap out of anything AND everything they can see then tactics become bit of a moot point ? But yea I’m not saying don’t attended a training day by any stretch , all I’m saying is be prepared to need a very big pinch of salt to go with what your being told , and just enjoy it for what it is .

FINALLY took delivery of mine today after over a months wait (original supplier didn't have enough) Airsoft Zone UK where able to supply me with a MP5 and 4 extra mid caps Took it to the range today to test it out and I was very impressed seemed to have similar range as my other NGRS rifles despite the AEP hop up and short inner barrel

Well I didn’t expect the amount of replies that this thread has amassed but I appreciate all of your replies, people have made good points about both sides of the argument of training and not training but for me training is something that would benefit my play style, I’m more of a slow and steady at times and then full force room clearance kinda guy, and as I run a GBBR I don’t want to be running around fast boi style and fire 300 rounds at walls and barrels ?, I have to make my shots count and I feel the training would really benefit this and give some good insight on playing a better game for myself.

Well, the simplest way to git gud at room clearing is to John Wick in while shouting "You missed, you missed, I didn't feel it, gun hit, didn't feel it, missed." My very mild concern about actually paying for training to play pretend soldiers with toys is that it might - might, not saying that it does - indicate a predilection for winning the game rather than playing the game. I'm thinking of a couple of players I've met who took it all far too seriously, and ended up flouncing or being kicked out of the hobby. All that said, I would be interested in doing such a training day, if only to see how well it really works in airsoft versus fearless rentals and pre-firing speedy bois.

Lmao I didn’t buy it ofc. My parents did.

It doesn’t necessarily show in text but the intent of my posts was meant to be the opposite (valid strawman there of how you read them) on the basis that doing a CQB course could be: 1) Just a days out experience of doing doorkicking Nothing wrong with that in itself but it won’t give number 2 (I’ve watched person number one go left scanning their zone and person number two going right scanning their zone with both of them getting shot by the defender in the middle - just blinkered going through the motions) 2) Learning doorkicking & room clearing in context - why do this and that, and refined into gameplay situations - are you happy to sacrifice yourself for difficult clearance and quickly respawn or medic heal, or is it a major ballache to walk half a mile to the safe zone so you prefer a steady slow clearance My questions were aimed at how to choose training / experiences and what an individual wants out of it The speedsofters have skills to offer too. (Unless they have dressed up and are all the gear no idea running around in circles) then they are applying a tactic In paintball I’ve done some competitive tournaments, fun on those occasions but not my kind of thing to pursue or to put in the commitment to keep it up. However I still took part in training sessions to learn and relearn skills and to iron out bad habits from years in the woods. I’ve done a fair bit of doorkicking & CQB myself - run by training companies of ex soldiers, and also run some CQB sessions ourselves - close up, indoor & outdoor and in context of gameplay

Sure, I've bought from them as well. If you know exactly what you want, and why, they're no worse than any other online retailer. Plus, Sweaty Dom's product videos are legendary.

Oops. Just noticed that... maybe it was a gift from ma n' pa. In fairness I actually got my springer from BBG4L as it was a) cheap (was looking for an inexpensive, basic backup pistol in case the rifle packed in mid-skirm), b) the usually extortionate delivery to the Highlands & Islands (yes, looking right at you, Patrol Base and others) was very reasonably priced for a change and c) the product was delivered correctly, on-time and with no fuss. Most of their stock is Chinesium bargain-basement keech that I wouldn't touch with a bayonetted Moisin-Nagant, however the wee Galaxy springers I happen to enjoy.

For anyone still looking for short Nam style M4/M16 mags, FireSupport has 2 boxes of 5x85 plastics in stock. https://www.fire-support.co.uk/product/king-arms-m16vn-short-plastic-magazines-box-set-of-585-rnd

Haha, I didn’t even go this weekend. Just posted that for my own entertainment to see who got it

Stock hop up unit, Maple Leaf Barrel and Maple Leaf Super Macaron 60 degree bucking. No modification needed, stock internals (360fps even after tens of thousands of bbs). It's more than accurate for CQB but I still believe it could do better for outdoors (maybe Maple Leaf Mr. Hop bucking and/or ZCI barrel, idk).

Fixed that for you.

DE also manufacture under the "QAP" brand (which appears to me more prevalent in Japan?), Cactus Jack is a new one on me, thanks for the heads up. The Guarder SP100 has sorted things nicely, and AK2M4 has said that he's noticed hardly any compression of the spring in his own testing (which I think has gone into the tens of thousands of shots). I'm still running the OEM inner barrel, however an ML bucking and nub, and I doubt I'll change it as I'm right at the UK AEG limit FPS wise and with the ML bits my grouping is more than good enough. (I'm hoping to spend my Xmas bonus on an M904F though, build a DMR with it, and that will more than likely get a different inner barrel).

@Fatboy40it's also a cactus jack version of the m904. I believe there are 3 companies currently "making" the same gun. I've noticed a bit of a drop in my fps lately too. Especially with the heavier ammo. Shooting about 0.88j on 28s but 1j on 20s. Let me know how you get on with the spring. Are you still running your oem inner barrel?

bang for your buck a cyma is a really good bet. Every Thompson is a TM clone other than the WE GBBR. i would warn the ergonomics are awful and the real steel guns were design by a big guy for big guys so you might have issues with stock length.

Hi, ALL! ? Managed to get fuel, but sadly I will not be playing this Sunday, due to work for next week! ? Should all settle down in the next few days, due to idiots panicking! ?? At least a lot of my items have turned up, so have something to make for the upcoming video! ?? Have fun, those of you that can play this weekend! ??? ?GAMBLE?