Update on this - to be fair to them Bunny Workshop gave me a full refund in 24hrs which was nice - shame Paypal then sat on it as usual for 4 days but I digress. I had an email today from Bunny Workshop saying that LCT had emailed them to let them know that the Vintorez and VAL will both be back in store before Xmas, I imagine to tie in with the release of the SR3M - just in case anyone is looking for one in the New Year.